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Poor Canada


moderate-man Joined on 09 dec 2006 Total posts: 32	Poor Canada 20. februar 2008 22:21 Does no-one find it strange that the decline of Canadian dancing equates directly with the increase in control of IDSF in the country ? Reply Quote
sambatogo Joined on 29 aug 2007 Total posts: 102	Re: Poor Canada 20. februar 2008 22:58 Definately YES outside Quebec! But inside it is growing and going strong under WDC member CDDSC. Fact. Reply Quote
souldancer Joined on 02 aug 2007 Total posts: 10	Re: Poor Canada 25. februar 2008 03:06 Would somebody please define for me "decline of Canadian Dancing" ??? Since when has Canadian dancing declined? Their Junior and Youth couples have had great results, they have good amateurs, with some new couples that will most likely improve a lot in the near future. There professionals have great results, not yet at the top of the world, but getting there. Where do you see decline? And CDDSC??? I would love to see a bonafide product of that inbred system. Don't get me wrong, I'm not choosing political sides here, but let's be reasonable, the only high-level dancers in Quebec are NOT in CDDSC, but either CADA or CDF. Plus minus one couple. Is this the system's fault?? I don't know. But that my friends, is a fact. Reply Quote
sambatogo Joined on 29 aug 2007 Total posts: 102	Re: Poor Canada 25. februar 2008 05:43 Yes there has been some good reults from Canadaian couples at times under CADA registration. But overal registration with CADA is very poor generally. Decreasing membership in many instances. But the measure of success must be in the overall numbers involved in competitive dancing. In which to draw new talent.In Canada there are not many competitors for the size of the country. But in Quebec there are very good numbers competing every month under the CDDSC sanctioning and system, are in ever increasing numbers. The CDDSC has as many, if not more members than CADA, in just 1 province from a relatively new organisation. No wonder CADA ban their couples from participating! Reply Quote
po1kadancer Joined on 12 maj 2007 Total posts: 7	Re: Poor Canada 28. februar 2008 15:46 Sambatogo : "In Canada there are not many competitors for the size of the country. " Oh dear, oh dear Sambatogo, you are so correct, it is not the size of the country, but the able population. There are many large countries with zero dance representatives, Antartica is one big continent with very few dancers. Considering the vast distances in this very rich ( opposite to poor ) and prosperous country called Canada, and the great financial sacrifice and time investment for many excellent and improving Canadian dancers, who must travel many hundreds, sometimes thousands of kilometers to compete against other Canadians, located on the opposite side of the country, I, with my great knowledge, which you all know about, and criticize me for, admit Canada is a country to recon with in the future. I do not believe that there would be such an influx of new dance teachers arriving into Canada if the soil was poor and infertile. Obviously they recognize the complete opposite looking forward to continued prosperity, and it matter not to them if it is under the umbrella of WDC or IDSF. I am out now for sure, cross my heart. Reply Quote
Adwiz Joined on 30 sep 2006 Total posts: 15	Re: Poor Canada 28. februar 2008 17:37 po1kadancer: Considering the vast distances in this very rich ( opposite to poor ) and prosperous country called Canada, and the great financial sacrifice and time investment for many excellent and improving Canadian dancers, who must travel many hundreds, sometimes thousands of kilometers to compete against other Canadians, located on the opposite side of the country, I, with my great knowledge, which you all know about, and criticize me for, admit Canada is a country to recon with in the future. I believe this is the key challenge in Canada. Montreal has a vibrant dance community which has grown over many years, founded on a European cultural mindset where dance is part of life. It is also a fairly compact community. Today, with opportunities to compete more than once a month within easy driving distance, no wonder Quebec couples are gaining ground. Compare that to a city like Calgary, where there are only two ballroom dance studios, and couples have only two or three local competitions a year. How can they ever develop the competitive skills to become significant even on a national level? Atlantic Canada has the same issues. Vancouver has a pretty strong competitive dance community, thanks to the influence of a growing group of Russian coaches, and a large number of excellent studios. There are now more ballroom studios in Vancouver than in Los Angeles, a city many times the size. But there are not nearly enough local competitions to allow these couples to develop their skills as performers. When it costs about $2000 per couple to attend any competition, how many times per year could you afford to compete? In Europe you can take a RyanAir flight for $50 or so to a competition any given weekend. In Canada you pay as much for a 600km flight from Vancouver to Edmonton as for a flight to the Ohio Star Ball almost all the way across the continent -- typically over $600 just for the airfare! Then you have hotel fees and other costs, making it prohibitive. This is the challenge Canada faces, and I'm proud of the effort Canadian dancers are making in spite of these issues. To see these young dancers saving every penny, working three jobs after school and organizing their own dance demos just to raise the funds needed to head to a competition warms my heart. I saw one case where a young man sold almost everything he owned through eBay just to make it to Blackpool, knowing that he and his partner didn't stand a chance of getting past the first round, but doing it anyway for the love of the vision. What passion! What courage! With the support of some dedicated coaches working hard to help these young people develop and make the most of their skills, I'm sure we'll see more of Canadian couples over the next few years. Reply Quote
little_sonya Joined on 22 feb 2008 Total posts: 13	Re: Poor Canada 28. februar 2008 17:42 sambatogo: Definately YES outside Quebec! But inside it is growing and going strong under WDC member CDDSC. Fact. I am so sorry Sambatogo that you hate anything associated with CADA when you write: "No one should be surprised about any of the Canadaian adjudicators that judge at snowball or any CADA competition. They all belong to the CDF/IDSF. All these Canadaian Adjudicators by and large are just part of the corruption that is so prolific here in Canada in the CADA /CDF system! " Lets wait and see the turn out during the Canadian Closed Championships somewhere far away in Halifax. Lets see how many couples will far away to such a cold, hostile place and lets judge the state of Canadian dancing under the current CADA leadership at that time. I like reading on this Forum, and it is so hurtful and indeed, insulting that there is so much propaganda against Canada, Canadian dancers, CADA etc. You sound as if hurting on a personal level Sambatogo, and I feel sorry for your hurt and obvious loss, but do not spoil it for others. It is perfectly OK if you are proud of Quebec dancers, and I hope they do well. There are many who cannot dance in many Quebec events, those who come and enjoy participation outside Quebec. I am not a member of any organisation, but love to dance and to compete. I would love to danve in this June event in Burlington, Ontario called Spring ...but why do I have to be a member of CDDSC to participate ? I know that the organizer would pay for the yearly membership, but I want to stay independent because I live in Ontario and CDDSC membership would be completely useless to me, so why even bother with it, just because of one event, and my friend predict it will be a complete flop because nobody will support it from OADA members, one reason being they just must not and will not. Reply Quote
quicktime2 Joined on 31 aug 2007 Total posts: 81	Re: Poor Canada 28. februar 2008 17:52 to Po1kadancer; I don't blame you for wanting to masquerade as polkadancer. I suppose it is the only way you will get some attention. On another thread there is some discussion on integrity. You should join in. You obviosly know a lot about misrepresentation and deceptive advertising. Reply Quote
quicktime2 Joined on 31 aug 2007 Total posts: 81	Re: Poor Canada 28. februar 2008 18:04 You said *I am not a member of any organisation, but love to dance and to compete.* Really?? What competitions in Canada do you compete in? However, since you obviously think it would be great if you could compete without joining any organization, I have good news for you. You can. Go to the WDC web site. Reply Quote
sambatogo Joined on 29 aug 2007 Total posts: 102	Re: Poor Canada 29. februar 2008 02:27 Dear Little_ Sonya, We{my spouse and I} don`t hate everything about CADA just some of the top people in it and the policies that they have regarding bans threats and the like. It is not good for dancing and has absolutely no purpose other than to control and monopolize, in a THREATENING MANNER! If you belong to such an organization then that`s fine. But if you join the other Amateur organization you are free to do as you wish. Such as the British Open Blackpool and the International Championships in England and the Dutch Open and others throughout the world. With no threats of any kind. And you are in the company of the very best dancers in the world also. If your friend and yourself are afraid of CADA and dancing in the "Spring Event" then you have only yourselfs and others like you to blame for your position. CADA is supposed to work on the competitors behalf. Otherwords from the bottom up, and not the top down. The excecutive are supposed to represent its members and we fail to believe that is what most CADA members want. The IDSF no longer ban dancers that compete in unsanctioned events. It is CADA that decide to do it in Canada, all by themselves. It is a great shame that you and your friend do not support freedom for competitors to dance where and when they wish. Like many of the worlds top exponents do in the WDC. Or maybe you think incorrectly that the worlds top dancers belong to the IDSF? Sambatogo. Reply Quote